Interview With Dr Gerald Pollack: Using Water For Optimal Health

Molecular Hydrogen Water System Snapshot

  • Longevity9.0/10
  • Inflammation9.0/10
  • Mood8.5/10
  • Cognition9.5/10
  • Energy9.5/10

Pros

  • Removes free radicals
  • Improves cellular health
  • Reduces aging
  • Enhances detoxification
  • Increases workout recovery
  • Increases blood circulation
  • Improves muscle-tissue functions and joint mobility
  • Aids in lowering cholesterol
  • 1/3 the price of other hydrogen water systems

Cons

  • Requires 15 minutes to make

If you’re more advanced in this area, I recommend listening to the video on 1.5-2X speed (click on the link to youtube and press the settings button on the bottom right).

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Thoughts on the interview

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If you look at the interview, I cut him short sometimes and this is because I had a lot of questions and I wanted to cover them.  Some of it was just me being overexcited about his ideas and being more impulsive.  I didn’t want to just rehash the other stuff that he spoke about in his other talks.  Some of it was a rehash, but I’m excited that I got to extract some new information from him.  He was really courteous and I’m a bit embarrassed, but the interview went well overall.

He was really generous with his time as well, especially given how busy he is.

You must realize that Dr. Pollack is way more knowledgeable about physics, chemistry, and biology than the schmucks on Quackwatch or “Science-Based Medicine”, who I can tell you don’t know shit (purely from a knowledge standpoint). Dr. Pollack is a top researcher in this field, not some rank and file scientist.

Intro to Video

-This is a must hear episode.  If it’s too complex for you, in the beginning, fast forward because it gets more practical.

-Dr. Pollack is a really sweet guy as you’ll see in the interview and he’s also an authentic and genuine guy.  I feel like I’ve got a lot of room to grow when I watch him.  I always say that if you want to grow as a person, surround yourself with good people.

Something I respect about him is that he’s willing to take risks for his reputation.  I believe that’s part of the reason he’s been making discoveries.  As a scientist, it’s very frowned upon to make suggestions that something may benefit your health when it’s not proven through clinical trials.  But the problem is there’s no money to create these trials and not telling people about these ideas can also be harmful.  So I applaud him on that…  I think we can learn from his personality just as much as we can from his science.

-His book is called The Fourth Phase of Water, it’s got 4.9 stars on Amazon.

-He grew up in a neighborhood near mine in Brooklyn.

-I want to give you a heads up that this interview is a little advanced, but I hope it’s comprehensible.

-I recommend watching his other lectures (scroll to the bottom) and reading his book to get a better background if you’re lost.

-Now, just to give you the basic idea of EZ water. EZ water is simply water that is more polar, which means that the negative and positive charges are better separated than ordinary water.  This results in a lot of interesting properties of the water…

-I’ve been appreciating the fact that many people with chronic health issues have low oxygen and this could be from bad blood flow, and we discuss how that may come from a lack of EZ water.

Some Key Topics We Discuss:

-The role of EZ water in the body…It plays a HUGE role.

-EZ water fills our cells because the surface of our proteins creates the EZ water.

-99% of our body molecules are water.

-Water inside our cells is more structured or ordered – it has a negative charge and functions like a battery.  When you drink a vegetable juice, you are drinking cell water or EZ water – because plants have cells and the liquid inside of them are EZ….

-The negative charge in our cell is from EZ, not from the ions/minerals that conventional science believes in.

-EZ has negative and positive charge.  If the cell is mostly negative, then what happens to the positive charge? It comes out as carbon dioxide in our breath, shit, piss, and sweat.  These all have lower Ph, which in essence is H+ or protons and this is what makes these mediums acidic.

-Some people don’t eat, they get their energy from light…maybe…

-Light builds EZ water, especially infrared light.  This is why infrared has such healing properties for almost any condition.

-The negative charge inside the cell is used for everything.

-EZ water or the negative charge is the most basic antioxidant in the body.  It gives over electrons to combat free radicals.

-EZ water is fundamental for blood circulation.  That means if you’ve got cold hands and feet, listen up.  You need more EZ in your system.

-An Israeli study showed that EZ is a driver of blood flow.  Blood was flowing even though the heart stopped in an animal study.

-Maybe lymph is also powered by EZ, as no one knows how it flows.

-The EZ water INSIDE your cells in your blood vessels powers your blood flow.

-Nobody knows exactly how proteins interact with other proteins.  EZ water probably plays a critical role in the interactions, which is central to life.

-The discovery of EZ water casts a large shadow over biochemistry.

-What we know about ATP is wrong.  Dr. Pollack believes that ATP donates negative charge rather than it being a high energy bond.

-When you lower the temperature of water or make it colder, it becomes more EZ.  Think glacial water and how it’s the best and most beneficial for your health.  Also think cold exposure therapy, which is very beneficial for a host of ailments.

-Water can reverse disease.

-The water we drink can ‘donate’ EZ water or negative charge to our body when we consume it.

-Dr. Pollack provides an anecdote of someone who cured kidney disease (an incurable condition) by drinking EZ water and says he’s heard many such anecdotes.

-Heating water is not necessarily worse, as it can get quite complex with its bubbles, etc…

-Infrared is best to create EZ….UV also separates charge…The sun has both, so get some sun! Studies show that the more sun people get, the lower their death rate…Take Astaxanthin to minimize damage from the sun.

Saunas have infrared and can create EZ in our body, while at the same time we sweat out positive water.  Two birds with one stone.

-Reverse osmosis and distilled water generally have less EZ.

-Minerals help create EZ – spring water is great.

-Vortex devices (especially copper ones) can help create EZ.  Dr. Pollack uses one for himself.

-Pressure and oxygen create more EZ.  Think hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which has both pressure and oxygen.  This therapy is useful for a very broad range of conditions.

-I discuss how I use an oxygen concentrator to promote health.  He suspects that this increases EZ.  (Maybe this is why proper breathing is so beneficial for all ailments.)

-Magnetism affects water, but it’s complex and nobody’s sure how exactly.

Aspirin creates EZ by up to 3X.

-Anesthetics and glyphosate (roundup) decrease EZ and there is a good chance that toxins do the same….(Toxins are positively charged and steal negative charge from EZ).

-Once you create EZ, it’s relatively stable…he tested the water on his shelf after 3 months and it still had EZ.

-His opinion of cold exposure therapy – it makes sense that it’s good.

-Getting gray hair is a sign you’re not getting enough water.

-Anecdotes of people who got cured – from Iranian known as BATMAN. Iranian scientist used water to cure all of his patients for all their diseases.  He claims you’re not sick, you’re dehydrated.

-EZ affects everything in the cells…some treatments are known to positively affect the whole body, and creating EZ might be the mechanism.

EMFs are something to be concerned about.   Very serious scientists are concerned.  Background EMF noise increased by 10X in the past decade…A top researcher in the field says that in 10 years cell phones will be in the same category as cigarettes.

EMFs ruined one of the experiments by having the microspheres move towards the computer…

-Homeopathy is widely misunderstood. It wrongly got discredited.  Molecules cluster and you don’t get rid of molecules when you dilute it.  Shaking also has an effect on the water information/EZ. Clear evidence that water has information content.  But no one really understands this area.

Colloidal silver creates EZ.

-Sugar builds EZ, but this is problematic when the sugar in your blood is high because it creates viscous texture.

-Glass will block a lot of infrared and UV.  Glass blocks information transfer between separated water.  Plants synchronize, but not when a glass is between the plants.  This is because it blocks UV.

-He did not test the effect of microwaves on EZ, but he suspects it will destroy EZ/water structure.

-The acidity of water – Ph of 3-4 or lower inhibits the growth of EZ.

-Minerals such as Copper, Zinc, Magnesium, Calcium build EZ.  I use some copper utensils.

Chia seeds create a tremendous amount of EZ next to each seed.

Probiotics make EZ, so use probiotics.

-Most of the water inside the cells is EZ, but when water flows there isn’t EZ.

-Cancer cells have less negative charge and probably less EZ.

-His colleagues believe fluoride is a toxin.

-Salts such as sodium and potassium chloride destroys EZ.

-Start cuddling if you want more infrared and EZ water because we radiate infrared.  I didn’t want to ask about sex, lol.

-Why people get shocked (static)…wind and dry cause this…The Wind gives us negative charge.

-Birds fly around and maybe to collect the negative charge.  He suspects that this makes them feel better.

-How hair on your body may affect EZ…It helps us collect the negative charge.

-Why do people get shocked and does it interact with EZ?  He says this isn’t connected, but we get shocked because we’re discharging.

-What he thinks of Rupert Sheldrake – someone who believes in strange phenomena such as if you can know if someone is staring at you.  He thinks that there is strange stuff going on but he doesn’t have a hypothesis on the mechanism.

-Big unanswered questions…Why is there gravitation?  Why is there inertia?  Why does the earth spin- where does the energy come from? How come clouds hold water?

-Charge plays a role in weather, and not just temperature and pressure…

-What did he leave out of the book?  He didn’t really discuss much that water has information.  How does water information relate to EZ?  EZ is the general structure and the water information can contain details.  Water can store information from DNA.

-We discuss his Institute of Venture Science.  Why you should donate….because science has gone astray and there needs to be funding for ideas that seem unconventional at first sight i.e. research that isn’t blessed by the high priesthood of science…

Just to recap and expand on some interesting ideas in this podcast:

-If you have enough EZ water, it should theoretically help combat chronic infections and it seems like there are a few mechanisms for that.  First, it may increase blood flow which helps transport products that help combat infections including oxygen, second it may increase lymphatic flow, which is the highway for your immune system, third the negative charge in your body is directly antimicrobial…

-The level of negative charge or Oxidation reduction potential abbreviated as ORP can be used for water system monitoring to measure the disinfection potential. For example, E. coli, Salmonella, Listeria and other pathogens have survival times of under 30 s when the ORP is above 665 mV, compared to >300 s when it is below 485 mV. (R)

-Based on my understanding, ORP is determined by how much oxygen is in the water and oxygen is negatively charged.  EZ water has more oxygens per hydrogen so it has more of a density of oxygen.  What that means is the higher the EZ, the higher the ORP.  If you add ozone to your water, which I am experimenting with, you are making the water more oxygen rich and giving it a negative charge.  That’s why it’s Ozone is a powerful disinfectant.  I actually bought an ORP meter to test my water to measure this.

Some clarifications in the video:

-I mentioned that calories get excreted as CO2…The study that I mentioned was referring to what happens to the fat we burn off when we lose weight.  See article.

-He mentions that Sodium chloride decreases EZ, so I just want people to be clear that this means that table salt decreases EZ.

How To Use This Information to Improve Your Health

If you don’t grasp what we’re talking about in the interview, don’t worry.  Here’s the bottom line of how to take advantage of the knowledge regarding EZ water and what you need to do to improve your health.

I personally use all of the products listed here and more – and I’m glad I purchased them.  I’m not just giving a laundry list of shit.

The Fourth Phase of Water – buy and read this book.  That’s step 1 to improving your health.  Also give it 5 stars.

DRINK MORE WATER.

Ice Cube Tray – I put this in a blender and drink this water with a shake.  Or you can put this in your water directly or in your beverages.  Cold make more EZ possible.

Clay – creates EZ, negatively charged.  Start supplementing with this.  This will draw positive charge out of you.  I take 5g on most days.

Ionic Minerals: Zinc, Copper, Chromium, Selenium.   I’m transitioning to using minerals in my water instead of supplementing.  You want to put these minerals in your water. 15mg Zinc, 100mcg Chromium, .5 mg Copper and 100mcg selenium per 1 gallon of water.

Magnesium/Concentrace for minerals to be added to water.  This is mainly magnesium.  You want to put this in your water.  2 droppers full per a gallon.

Coral Calcium.  Another good mineral to put in your water. I put 1g (333mg calcium) per a gallon.

Probiotics create EZ. This Probiotic (prescript assist) is different and also good.  These are the two I primarily use.  They will inhabit your large intestine if you ingest them, so no need to put them in your water.  I take 4 capsules of each daily but cycle them.

Colloidal Silver – I would only put a few drops.  Silver can potentially accumulate in the body and be toxic.

Ice Helmet/Cryohelmet – (I use the adult regular size).   I actually bought two of these.  I put it on my head and keep it there until it stops being cold.  This is to perhaps create more EZ in my head.

Cold Hat – I also have this.  It’s also good and cheaper, but I’d recommend the cryo helmet if you’re only buying one.

LLLT (light relief)…use  LLLT for about 3 minutes all over your head (buy LLLT).  I find it synergistic with cold.  Put on any spot that needs healing.

LLLT – 850nm (CCTV camera).  This one only has infrared, as opposed to the light relief.  I like both of them.

LLLT – 660nm….Has different effects than the light relief one that I recommend.  Get both.

Infrared Sauna.  Buy if you could afford this.

Infrared Light – this will give you infrared in the 850nm range, which is different than the 660nm range.

Infrared mat.  This does give off EMF’s (I tested it), but it’s worth it in my opinion.   I use this when it’s cold outside or inside and I want to be warmed up.

Grounding mat – gives over electrons or negative charge.  I sit on this on my chair.

Infrared Shirt to absorb infrared and keep it in you.  I use this as my regular clothes but I also wear it while wearing my cold helmet.  See review study.  See my post on it.

Oxygen concentrator – oxygenates the blood, calming, cognitive enhancing.  Potentiates LLLT.  The concentrator also has an ionizer which releases negative charge in the air.

Copper Water Bottle, Copper Pitcher, and Cups.  I put water in here for storage.

Molecular hydrogen machine….not only does it hydrogenate your water, but it also creates microbubbles, and I bet it’ll create EZ…. I actually have 2 of these machines because I’m drinking more water.  I notice a small effect, but given that water is so central to us, I want to make sure I’m getting it right.

Vibrational plate -I will experiment putting my water to shake it up.  I haven’t tried it yet.

Blender -shakes up water.  I wonder what Dr. Pollack would say about this.

Chia seeds create EZ. I’m going to experiment putting chia in water and drinking the liquid portion.  Or you can consume the seed as well.

Aspirin.  You can either take it our put it in your water.  Haven’t tried this yet.

EMF blocking clothes: Hoodie (AMZ), Hat (AMZ), silver laced Pants (Ebay).  Silverell (Ebay) clothing, in general, is good.  The best cloth is Ksilver1#.   I also use Ksilver32#.  EMFs can affect the water in your body, but it’s not clear how.  I bought this stuff.  See my post on it.

You can find some of the products on IHERB.

Some of Dr. Pollack’s Other Talks

You can see some of his other talks on youtube.  He’s got many more of them.

If you donate money, the Institute of Venture Science will give you the best bang for your buck.

Comments

  1. Justin B

    Hi,
    Are the recommendations for the dosages of the minerals for distilled water still current? I do not have money to afford the machine you mention in the forum

    I live in snohomish county in Washington state where we do have fluoridated water, but not much. I had purchased the mentioned distiller on eBay. But am on the fence about it, since the minerals you mentioned are recommended in capsule form on your other posts.

    I am also open to just using a berkey filtration system with a fluoride filter if that is more advisable.

    Please advise.
    Thank you,
    Justin

  2. Todd

    Do you have experience with MRET Water?

    The story is compelling, but 1K for a pitcher to make your own seems a bit steep without more feedback…. Here is the short version:
    Dr. Igor Smirnov was part of a group of docs investigating why a small group of ppl affected by radiation from the Chernobyl nuclear plant did not get cancer when everyone else around them did. The docs tracked it down to the spring they were drinking from…

    This led to MRET water – structured water in single file molecules taking advantage of the Aquaporin Water Channels in the cell membrane – Nobel prize in chemistry was awarded in 2003 for the scientist that discovered aquaporins.

  3. Mary

    “Vortex devices (especially copper ones) can help create EZ. Dr Pollack uses one for himself”

    Which one, how are they used, and how can I make one. Or what one is good to buy?

  4. danimal

    I think this was the best interview with Gerald Pollack so far…so many good questions and suggestions for further experiments…the same ones i would have had. Could you clarify and ask Mr. Pollack whether putting a magnet increases or decreases the EZ and what side does what? I don’t think that specifically was asked (but basically everything else was!)

  5. Marly

    I just watched this excellent interview, thanks I learned so much. I just wanted to pass this information on to you about this doctor’s perspective on drinking distilled water for extended periods. I can attest that I have been following his complete protocol for several months and the improvement in my health, particularly a radical increase in the sensation of lightness, radiance, joy, harmony, and pure love is very extraordinary. I have not yet done a hair retest, so I can’t say exactly what the measured changes are. I’m sure its very connected to Dr Pollack’s discoveries about EZ and charge.

    http://drlwilson.com/articles/WATER.htm

  6. Sylvia

    Thank you for this interview. I’m still blown away by how little we know about water and how it contributes to our health. While I was listening, the work of Dr. Andrew Moulden came to mind. I think EZ Water is the solution to many of the things he talks about (zeta potential, MASS, blood sludging, etc.).

  7. Annalise

    Hey Joe,

    When Gerry asks “but how do the mitochondria know they’re cold?” Well as I understand it, uncoupling proteins stimulate the release of IR heat/light at 270 nm thereby creating EZ water right in your cells, increasing magnetic sense and “charge”….respiration efficiency…you name it.

    This was a great interview by the way. What a thoroughly nice man and he’s done some great work!
    (You too!)
    A

  8. Liav

    Hi Josef, I wonder about distilled water… I drink DW over 2 years now. I love it. as I know from Andrew norton webber, DW has negative charge and the reason for drinking it is because it pulls the positive charged minerals that are stuck in our body, becuase they are non-organic minerals.
    So if you add positive charged mineral to DW do you still get the same results? or am I missing something?

    thanks
    Liav

  9. Fritz.Harber

    I got mixed results using your water protocol (drinking 2gal of cold, infrared “EZ” water) – when I drink it I feel good almost immediately, my head stops hurting and I get a really good concentration and a feel-good mode. If I drink less than at least 1.5 gal than the effect is less strong.

    The big downside is that while I used to sleep 8 hours all through the night I am waking up at least 4 times every night to pee which really damages my sleep.

    How did you get around this problem?

    • Joseph M. Cohen

      I had a problem of getting up 1 time during the night…The Sauna fixed that issue. I was thinking of take vasopressin and/or aldosterone, but the Sauna completely fixed it. It increases both of those hormones.

      Good thing you mentioned that downside.

  10. lordilol

    doesnt that mean that grounding doesnt protect from emf,
    grounding main benefit is negative charge
    while there is no assumption that emf makes you postive charge, so how does grounding help against emf?

    at the same time MAGNET PAD or whatevr their name should help against emf, if what yo usaid that your comp
    stopped working while on it.

  11. lordilol

    what if what you knew is wrong?

    i was mind blown about the information content of water
    5 states that is incredible.

    i also like the insight about academics, alot of ivory mystery is cleared.
    but the “rigged” system and academics gone wrong its not only true for science i would say its true for everything.
    SOCIETY gone astray. i mean people do a lot of shit that is not productive that leads to a disaster.

    shit living near the beach=ultra hack.
    fuck yeah i am going to go to the beach in the evening for a hour and see if i notice something.

    sometimes i wish to live in canada or usa where its so fking easy to get all those shit that you order, in my country you need to wait a month. and pay for delivery quit the sum.

  12. Nina Chrumov

    Will getting infra-red exposure at night (from the lamp you recommend buying) damange your circadian rhythm in anyway?

    • Joseph M. Cohen

      good question…I don’t think so because infrared is naturally present at night…I use it at night also on the idea that historically people used bon fires at night…

    • Joseph M. Cohen

      That guy doesn’t give convincing arguments and he can use a dose of critical thinking.

      Claiming he’s being misleading is ridiculous. He mentions that we’re 2/3 water by volume in many of his lectures. 99% of molecules is true and meant to drive a point home that water is more important than we think.

      -Claiming the journal Water doesn’t have a high impact factor isn’t an argument against his ideas.

      -The water Dr Pollack describes is different than the 14 phases that the diagram shows. Based on that comment, I can tell you that guy didn’t read his book or seriously look into his ideas. He read his article/watched a video and started making false assumptions.

      He then says:
      “Later on the “article” tells us that EZ-water is not H2O (note that they cannot be bothered to format their chemical formulas) but H3O2, which is alkaline with a negative charge. Hmmm… If it has a different formula and different properties, it must be a different compound.”

      That’s exacty what Dr Pollack is saying. That water changes to something else that isn’t quite water, but we think of it as water. So we then 2/3 of our cell is water, but most of that 2/3 isn’t actually water as we know it.

      “EZ-water has a negative charge. It is possible for objects to build up charge, but it is not possible for them to remain permanently charged. Overall, the universe is balanced in charge. Consider lightning as a consequence of attempting to maintain separation of charge. This “negative charge” comes from a misunderstanding of pH. The water definitely has a higher pH, which means more OH− ions than H+ ions, but something (probably Na+) needs to replace the missing H+.”

      I’m not sure what he’s saying here. Universe as a whole may be balanced of charge but many things in the universe aren’t. It’s a fact that in our cells there’s more negative charge. Not controversial. Clouds are negative. The earth is constantly negative. I don’t understand his point.

      1) See fallacy of division: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_division
      2) We are constantly getting rid of positve charge through breathing out, urine, sweat and shit….

      Then he goes on to say stuff that I don’t see addresses Dr Pollack’s point or is an argument against dr pollack.

      Then he says stomach neutralizes any negative charge through stomach acid…
      Well the stomach is capable of absorbing alcohol and drugs. I wouldn’t be surprised if it can absorb negative charge as well, and in my experiments I notice many drugs and supplements have immediate effects, which wouldn’t be possible if they had to first go through the small intestines. If you take the ionic minerals, the effects are also somewhat quick. The writer discounts such a possibility, but doesn’t back his implicit assumption up.
      https://quizlet.com/11844868/digestive-5-flash-cards/

      He also discounts the possibility that by using more positive charges to neutralize the stomach, we’re getting rid of more positive charge and keeping more negative charge. I guess we’re also using negative charge in the form of bicarbonate to neutralize the acidity, but we’re probably getting rid of more positive charge overall. Doesn’t take this info into account.

      He then mentions that your blood maintains Ph balance. Dr Pollack doesn’t argue against this, nor are his ideas contradicted by this. So it’s moot.

      Overall, that writer has the same fault that I’ve had much more strongly in the past – and that’s the assumption that we know more than we don’t. We know very little, and much of what we think we know doesn’t work exactly how we believe it to work.

      I tried to post this comment on that website, but it says I need to answer like 25 unanswered questions first. No thanks.

  13. David

    Hi Joseph a couple questions, so I’m drinking distilled water mainly because no fluoride. Can I add the minerals to the distilled to make EZ? Or is there any other water you suggest I would benefit from? And also how does turning the water (vortex) create EZ? That’s a trip to me.

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