In this podcast interview, Dr. Gundry exposes the dangerous truth behind lectins and how they relate to inflammation, autoimmune diseases, and obesity. Most importantly, he shares his vast experience and research on why lectins are so harmful to the body, and how to reverse the damages they cause.

Anyone who reads SelfHacked knows I am very ‘anti-lectin’ for people with autoimmune/inflammatory issues. Dr. Gundry, originally a very famous heart surgeon, discovered how dangerous lectins are and altered his career to help people reverse autoimmune disease through his matrix diet. He has completed the only human study related to lectins and is now the most knowledgeable on the subject. His second book “the Plant Paradox” is coming out on April 25th, 2017.

About Dr. Gundry

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Dr. Gundry is internationally recognized as an inventor, researcher, and one of America’s top doctors.

He is a former researcher at Yale University and has held a director role numerous times including Head of the Division of Cardiothoracic Surgery. Dr. Gundry has written more than 200 articles and books about cardiac surgery, the nutritional reversal of heart disease, high cholesterol, diabetes, and hypertension.

Currently, Dr. Gundry is the Director of The International Heart and Lung Institute in Palm Springs, California, and the Founder/Director of The Center for Restorative Medicine in Palm Springs and Santa Barbara.

In this podcast, Dr. Gundry exposes the dangerous truth behind lectins and how they relate to autoimmune disease. Most importantly, he shares his vast experience and research on why lectins are so harmful to the body, and how to reverse the damages they cause.

[1:59] Dr. Gundry’s opinion on gut health and its relationship to disease

[7:38] LPS (i.e. little pieces of shit)-what they are and how they hurt us

[10:25] What gut-healing protocols are missing

[15:55] Lectins and the cause of disease

[19:23] A new case study of autoimmune disease…and how all participant’s markers of inflammation returned to normal

[22:48] Is it possible to get rid of reactions to other non-lectin foods (nuts, seeds, fruits, etc.)?

[29:00] Preventing LPS from reaching the gut

[31:05] Resistant starch and other foods for our good bacteria

[32:36] Why pressure-cooked tomatoes are a ‘no’ food

[33:30] A recap of Dr. Gundry’s protocol

[34:40] 20% of food poisonings in the US according to the CDC…

[35:20] ‘A carb is not a carb’

[38:00] Tribes like Okinawan absorb a ‘high fat diet’ through short-chain fatty acids

[41:00] We should eat 0 of this food

[41:55] The oil with the highest amount of alpha-linoleic acid

[43:00] Roundup + meat

[45:47] The relationship between histamine intolerance and lectins

[47:10] Why eating only anti-inflammatory foods is like trying to douse a fire with a thimble of water

[49:27] My research on the cannabinoid receptor 1 gene in relationship to food sensitivities and autoimmunity

(see if you have this CNR1 gene using SelfDecode: our gene analysis company using data from 23andme)

[51:40] The player of Adiponectin

[54:40] Probiotics for restoring the gut, including one that grows hair in experimental animals

[57:55] How polyphenols change bacterial behavior

[1:01:07] The Keto-Plant Paradox Intensive Care

[1:04:00] Protein’s influence on MTOR, IGF-1, and glycoprotein

Anyone who reads SelfHacked knows I am very ‘anti-lectin’ for people with autoimmune/inflammatory issues. Dr. Gundry, originally a very famous heart surgeon, discovered how dangerous lectins are and altered his career to help people reverse autoimmune disease through his matrix diet. He has completed the only human study related to lectins and is now the most knowledgeable on the subject. His second book “the Plant Paradox” is coming out on April 25th.

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21 COMMENTS

  • anna burns

    I got Dr. Gundry’s new book that just came out. He has definitely evolved in his thinking since his first book. I was absolutely blown away and excited by the depth of understanding and knowledge he has of lectins. I have been scouring the internet for years on lectins and never have read anything like what Dr. Gundry talks about. I have removed a large portion of lectins from my diet. Not completely though. It’s hard to find animal protein that has not ingested grains. I also have started his recommended green smoothie avery day. He promised in his book that if you follow his recommendations, that cravings for
    sugar and carbs will go away. I didn’t believe him, but it’s true. My gut is very happy with all the greens so available by blending them. I also have added some high quality fats. I still have tweaking to do in my eating, but I am feeling the benefits. Way to go Dr. Gundry! Thanks Joe, for sharing his video on your website.

  • KAREN BLANKENSHIP

    I am a health care provider and have been helped tremendously by Dr. Gundry’s Vital Reds and Prebio Thrive and cured with his Plant Paradox diet. This video made me aware of you, Joe Cohen, and I look forward to visiting your website and your wealth of knowledge. I already have my family aware of you and Dr. Gundry!

  • Diego Redondo

    For removing lectins in potatoes when pressure cooking, does the water have to cover the potatoes, or is just a cup of water at the pots base to get them steam cooked right?

    1. Anna Burns

      Please explain why we need to use a pressure cooker to remove lectins from foods. I don’t understand that. Thanks, Anna

    2. Craig

      Time is likely the the main factor. I would be inclined to cook them for an hour in the pressure pot.

  • Diego

    Good podcast, Im willing to buy the book, but Im still not convinced about this Dr. wont be another lowcarb promoter trying to cover a dogmatic anti-carb view with falacies or speculation to trick the reader.

    OK. Ill give him the benefit of the doubt. He says Okinawan/kitavans are actually absorving a “high fat diet” because all those sweet potatoes they eat, get converted to SCTs by the gut bacteria. So, we can get this checked out with a simple glucose test. We can compare a isocaloric carb intake of sweat potato, and plain potato. If he’s right the glucose meter in the readings should reflect the sweat potato intake more like a fat meal, and potato intake like a carb meal.

    Right?

  • Anna Burns

    I just received Dr Gundry’s first book that he wrote, Diet Revolution. I have to say that I’m disappointed in it. I have not actually read it, but flipped through it, checking it out. I did not
    see any mention of lectins in this book at all. Another thing, he encourages at least 1/2 cup of
    raw nuts a day. I love nuts, but when they are raw, unless they have been sprouted and then
    dehydrated, are very high in certain enzymes that are bad for you. The sprouting interrupts those
    enzymes. I wanted to learn about lectin avoidance, but it was not in this book. He has some good
    ideas, but I think I will not read his book now. Maybe the new one is better. Don’t know that I want to spend anymore money on books that are not meaningful to me,

    1. Tess

      I feel the same way – leafed through the book and was disappointed in what I saw.

    2. Doni Zahn

      His first book is almost 10 years old and was more geared to weight loss. A lot has changed. The new book is excellent and very much worth the read.

      1. Kayla

        I agree, The Plant Paradox is amazing. Very informative! I’m doing it!

  • Tess

    So, Dr. Gundry has a different eating plan than in his first book which I just bought???

    1. Nattha Wannissorn, PhD

      Yes

  • Timothy

    I’m starting a strict diet based on the LAD and could use some advice since it’s hard to source certain things here. 1) Besides fish I can’t find animals which aren’t grain fed here, best I can do is organic corn-fed/free rage; can this be a problem for a starter who doesn’t know what their sensitive to? I am European if it makes a difference.

    And 2) I can’t find any local Conjac noodles without a little oat fiber in them for some reason. Do those contain many lectins?

    Thanks.

    1. Nattha Wannissorn, PhD

      Beef is usually okay. You can try it. In the US there are online grassfed butchers that will ship.

    2. Doni

      For those of us who follow Dr. Gundry’s eating plan, the beef that you mention would NOT be ok. It goes by the principle that “you are what you eat, eats”, meaning if the cow was fed corn you’d be eating corn as well. Many of us go off beef and chicken entirely, but if you can’t find what you need locally there are online stores that people order from and have shipped to them. Best not to eat the oats. Many of us use (and Dr. G recommends) Miracle Noodles as a noodle substitute.

  • Brett

    Great podcast! So Dr. Gundry is not big on animal protein (esp. beef, lamb) which is a big part of the Selfhacked Lectin Avoidance diet. At least it’s the only way I can keep my calories up on it to thrive. What does he suggest we eat?

    1. Nattha Wannissorn, PhD

      His food list on his diet (in his new book, not ours) is a bit different from our list so there are opportunities to add calories there. If you suffer from autoimmunity, going strict first is the way to go and then you can figure out what caloric foods you tolerate so you can play it up. If anything, there’s Hi-Maize cookies in our cookbook.

  • anna burns

    I just listened to Josephs interview of Dr. Gundry. It was so interesting and mind expanding. It appears that I need to make some major changes to what I thought was a reasonably healthy diet. I wanted to recommend to folks to listen to it. I feel like I have to listen to it several times to really glean everything he said.

  • Kyle

    Really enjoyed the interview! Hope for there to be more interviews done and posted. Its an easier way for me to process this information. I also like Joes interviews more than other people in the health podcast world because he spends less time working to simply promote other peoples philosophies. I would love for him to interview Chris Kresser.

  • Tori Sammy

    Is mild amounts of regular, organic maize starch suitable for a lectin-free diet?

    1. Nattha Wannissorn, PhD

      No.

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